The Wine Collector

Practical wine collecting advice from Steve Bachmann, Vinfolio's CEO

 
21
Jul
2009

Defining who needs an alcohol license (in CA)

Categories: Retailing

The Wine Spectator published a story today titled "Is California preparing an Internet wine crackdown?" in which I'm quoted.  The issue is less over online wine sales than defining the requirements for who needs an alcohol license and who doesn't.

Service provider or unlicensed alcohol business?

The California ABC's "Industry Advisory", issued in June 2009, is titled "Unlicensed third party service providers" (italics added).  In the fast-changing world of online marketing, a new class of "marketing agents" has emerged to help drive sales, not just in wine but practically every other consumer-facing product category. But is the "agent" just an agent supporting a licensed business's objectives or is the "agent" really operating an (unlicensed) business supported by the licensee?

Where to draw the line?

The ABC advisory lists fundamental privileges of a licensee including:

  1. Management decisions
  2. Pricing decisions
  3. Controlling the distribution of funds
  4. "Sale" of alcoholic beverages
  5. Profiting from the sale of alcoholic beverages

The last two points above require some clarification:

  • Selling - The ABC defines "selling" to include any service provider who "solicit orders" or makes an "offer to purchase" to consumers.  Presumably this would include taking order details (wines, quantities), shipping addresses, and payment information.
  • Profiting -The ABC claims that service providers charging a fee linked to a percentage of the sale usually equates to "profiting" from the sale.  I disagree (although Vinfolio terminated one service provider relationship anyway to avoid the ABC interpreting it differently as the story mentions).  There are basically three standard pricing models used for pricing marketing services in the online world: flat-rate advertising for listings/banners, pay-per-click, and payment linked to conversions/results (usually expressed as a percentage of the resulting sale value).  Does using a common, percentage-based pricing model (for any industry) equate to sharing in the customer's business profits?  "No."  The very term "profits" means revenue minus costs.  To participate in creating profits means having a say on all matters affecting revenues and costs which a true service provider would not be in a position to do. The third party we felt obligated to terminate because of some ambiguity in the advisory violated none of the fundamental privileges listed nor did they "sell" on our behalf.  They merely supported Vinfolio, a licensed business, in reaching its objectives. 

Bottom line: I suspect most marketing service providers to the wine industry are really that, third party service providers, regardless of their method of charging for services.  The most objective test some "marketing agents" may fail is whether they engage in the direct selling function.

4 comments:

I just turn the tables. I am an agent for my buyers. I secure a discount for them out of which I pay myself a percentage fee when I charge their credit card. I then send on the net amount, i.e., the amount agreed to by the winery after the consumer discount along with the sales tax, to the winery which books the sale at the winery price less 30 to 40 percent.

Posted by tom merle at Wednesday July 22, 2009

Well, I don't make the rules but it sure seems like you're doing many of the tasks which require a license according to the CA ABC (I assume you're in CA). You're setting prices, making offers to your customers (your "buyers"), handling funds, and basically managing the top and bottom line based on alcohol sales. Are you charging sales taxes too? Just get a license (plus seller's permit) and make it legal. It's not that big a deal.

Posted by Steve Bachmann at Wednesday July 22, 2009

Hi Steve, this is very helpful. The language issued in the advisory is not clear enough and your interpretation is helpful. If I send traffic through my site to a distributor/retailer that is licensed in the relevant state, I should be allowed to charge a % of the sale. Ultimately the distributor/retailer that I am sending business to is responsible for compliance to his/her license and the associated costs. I am just helping attract business to that site and taking a commission if the sale occurs.

Posted by Chris Manice at Thursday July 23, 2009

Remember, the CA ABC's jurisdiction is over CA-based alcohol-related businesses (I presume you are in CA). It's hard for me to provide an opinion based on the limited description of your activities ("sending traffic") but if that is all it is (not taking orders, a supporting role only etc), I would say you are fine from a CA point of view (based on my interpretation of how these rules should be applied which may not be the reality).

Posted by Steve Bachmann at Thursday July 23, 2009






Post a comment

(You may need to be approved by the site owner before your comment will appear. Until then, it won't appear on the entry. Thanks for waiting.)

 
 
 


 


Vinfolio Marketplace






Forgotten password
 
Enter your email and we will send you
your password